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Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 12:00:32 -0400
To: "Michael Barnette" <barney00@ta*.rr*.co*>,
     "VBTech list"
From: Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*>
Subject: Re: U.S.S. Virginia
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Mike....Got this privately, also I will have to send you the article in a 
PFD in private, then you can place it on your site if you want.....it is 
kinda large.

 >FYI - There was a Clayton/Gentile trip to the New Jersey in October 1994. 
I was on that dive. We went out on the Lindsey not with Artie. We did dive 
on the wreck not a debris field. All in all it was a terrific dive. Ken and 
Gary Gentile have dived all of the Mitchell wrecks. I wish I could say the 
same but the Virginia is the one I missed. I had a big blow up with Ken 
before the 1993 Virginia trip. I missed my chance.


At 09:40 PM 8/6/03 -0400, Capt JT wrote:
>For some reason I still think he has dived it........it would be unlike 
>him to let one slip away. I will try to scan in the article later this 
>week and put it on a page....it will not be linked to my site, but I will 
>post where it is at and keep it out there for a week.
>
>
>  At 06:46 PM 8/6/03 -0400, Michael Barnette wrote:
>>Thanks for the info.  Everyone that I talked to said no one had been to the
>>Virginia, not that it matters.  Artie took out Ken et al. to the New Jersey
>>where they hit the debris field.  Mike and Doug had a solid dive on the New
>>Jersey a year or two later.  I think as far as everyone knows, those are the
>>only dives on the NJ; those two dives are recorded in the "rafters" of
>>Artie's boat.
>>All things considered, the New Jersey may be a better dive since it didn't
>>get whacked as hard by the bombers, and you can get more time on it.  Any
>>chance you can scan in the story and post it on your website?  I would love
>>to read about those early dives.
>>Cheers,
>>Mike
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
>>To: "VBTech list" <VBTech@ci*.co*>
>>Cc: "Michael Barnette" <barney00@ta*.rr*.co*>
>>Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 6:48 PM
>>Subject: Re: U.S.S. Virginia
>>
>>
>> > At 06:43 PM 8/6/03 -0400, Capt JT wrote:
>> > >Mike.....check an old Mag of DeepTech issue 15  for the facts......
>> >
>> > Mike.....I just pulled it out and I notice Ken has used special wording
>> > when he wrote the story.....saying he was Providentially favored to be the
>> > only one to dive all ten ships......which means you guys may be the first
>> > to dive it and I will be the first to dive all ten.....very interesting
>> > indeed.
>> >
>> >
>> > >At 06:23 PM 8/6/03 -0400, Michael Barnette wrote:
>> > >>Thanks for the info.  This will be news to a lot of people.
>> > >>Cheers,
>> > >>Mike
>> > >>
>> > >>----- Original Message -----
>> > >>From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
>> > >>To: "Michael Barnette" <barney00@ta*.rr*.co*>; "VBTech list"
>> > >><VBTech@ci*.co*>
>> > >>Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>> > >>Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 6:36 PM
>> > >>Subject: Re: U.S.S. Virginia
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> > Ken is the only one to have dived all 10 of the Billy Mitchell
>> > >> > Fleet........it took him 10 years to do it. I need to dive only 3
>>more and
>> > >> > I will have done it in 5 years. I have dived several of them more
>>than
>> > >> > once.....no one has dived the Ostfriesland more than Rick and I....no
>>brag
>> > >> > just fact. I do believe that it was Roger Huffman took Ken to the
>> > >>Virginia,
>> > >> > but I could be wrong on that.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >   At 06:03 PM 8/6/03 -0400, Michael Barnette wrote:
>> > >> > >I am simply using the depths obtained via our bottom timers as a
>> > >>reference,
>> > >> > >in order to avoid the differences in depth standards (boat depth
>> > >>recorder,
>> > >> > >FW versus SW, etc.).  What boat did Ken dive the Virginia off of?
>> > >> > >Interesting.  I know he did the New Jersey, but everyone told us
>>that no
>> > >>one
>> > >> > >had been to the Virginia yet.  We wanted to hit the New Jersey too,
>>but
>> > >>the
>> > >> > >weather earlier in the week really did not cooperate for all the
>>dives we
>> > >> > >had planned.
>> > >> > >Hasta,
>> > >> > >Mike
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > >----- Original Message -----
>> > >> > >From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
>> > >> > >To: "Michael Barnette" <barney00@ta*.rr*.co*>; "VBTech list"
>> > >> > ><VBTech@ci*.co*>
>> > >> > >Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>> > >> > >Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 6:08 PM
>> > >> > >Subject: Re: U.S.S. Virginia
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > > Mike, it was not a troll. Call the guy, he gave his phone number
>>for
>> > >>the
>> > >> > > > story. I have removed his email as I am sure he has no interest
>>in the
>> > >> > >dick
>> > >> > > > waving. I heard of the incident but no name was given to me who
>>it
>> > >>was. As
>> > >> > > > for the depths......those depths came from Ken Clayton. He will
>>be
>> > >>quick
>> > >> > >to
>> > >> > > > tell you that you have not calculated the error of your depth
>>gauges
>> > >>as
>> > >> > > > most are calibrated for FW. You can bet your ass he has done his
>>and
>> > >>stuck
>> > >> > > > his hand in the deepest washout of the wreck......so no one can
>>say
>> > >>they
>> > >> > > > hit a deeper spot than him.
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > >    At 05:36 PM 8/6/03 -0400, Michael Barnette wrote:
>> > >> > > > >Good timing (and trolling) JT.  Yes, you are correct about the
>> > >>incident.
>> > >> > > > >However, it had nothing to do with current, as there has been a
>> > >>general
>> > >> > > > >absence of current in Hatteras this year.
>> > >> > > > >The incident occurred due to a freak front that moved through,
>>with
>> > >>the
>> > >> > > > >weather quickly changing from stable 3-foot seas and 10 knot
>>winds,
>> > >>to
>> > >> > >10-12
>> > >> > > > >foot spilling seas and 20-25 knot winds.  Couple that with our
>>boat
>> > >> > >breaking
>> > >> > > > >a throttle cable that disabled it for an extended duration while
>>we
>> > >>were
>> > >> > >on
>> > >> > > > >deco, which prompted our captain to wisely call in our friends
>>on the
>> > >>R/V
>> > >> > > > >Cape Fear, who were just leaving the U.S.S. Monitor site.  They
>>did a
>> > >> > >great
>> > >> > > > >job of negotiating the rough seas and picking us up; it was nice
>>to
>> > >>see
>> > >> > >so
>> > >> > > > >many familiar faces in a situation like that.
>> > >> > > > >The dive itself went great, as we had zero current and
>>incredibly
>> > >>clear
>> > >> > > > >water on the bottom.  It was phenomenal!  In spite of the damage
>> > >> > >inflicted
>> > >> > > > >by Mitchell to the superstructure of the Virginia, the hull
>>itself is
>> > >> > >pretty
>> > >> > > > >damn solid.  There is one area on the starboard side near the
>>stern
>> > >>that
>> > >> > >has
>> > >> > > > >a significant amount of damage.  You could scooter right into
>>the
>> > >> > >interior
>> > >> > > > >of the ship, and brass artifacts such as bomb-proof lights
>>(ironic)
>> > >>were
>> > >> > > > >still attached to bulkheads.  The running gear of the Virginia
>>looked
>> > >>to
>> > >> > > > >have been removed prior to its sinking (no rudder, struts,
>>shaft, or
>> > >> > >props).
>> > >> > > > >Big warsaw grouper on the wreck too.
>> > >> > > > >I have just added some video clips to the AUE website if you
>>want to
>> > >>see
>> > >> > >the
>> > >> > > > >wreck for yourself.
>> > >> > > > >http://www.mikey.net/aue/theater.htm
>> > >> > > > >The actual footage will also be available for anyone visiting
>>the
>> > >> > >Graveyard
>> > >> > > > >of the Atlantic Museum in Hatteras; they have the start of a
>>nice
>> > >>display
>> > >> > >on
>> > >> > > > >Billy Mitchell and the sinkings of the Virginia and New Jersey.
>> > >> > > > >BTW, the Virginia is deeper than 390fsw, as we hit 397fsw and we
>>were
>> > >> > >still
>> > >> > > > >well off the bottom; the wreck sits in a huge washout, testament
>>to
>> > >>the
>> > >> > > > >strong currents that run over the wreck.
>> > >> > > > >Cheers,
>> > >> > > > >Mike
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > > > >----- Original Message -----
>> > >> > > > >From: "Capt JT" <captjt@mi*.co*>
>> > >> > > > >To: "VBTech list" <VBTech@ci*.co*>
>> > >> > > > >Cc: <clark@bu*.co*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>> > >> > > > >Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 4:50 PM
>> > >> > > > >Subject: Re: Have you dived the battleship USS New Jersey?
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > At 10:21 AM 8/6/03 -0600, you wrote:
>> > >> > > > > > >Hello. I work for a newspaper in New Jersey called the
>> > >>Courier-Post.
>> > >> > > > >We're
>> > >> > > > > > >writing a story about the original battleship USS New Jersey
>>that
>> > >>was
>> > >> > > > >sunk 3
>> > >> > > > > > >miles off of Cape Hatteras in 1923. I was trying to find
>>someone
>> > >>who
>> > >> > >has
>> > >> > > > > > >dived
>> > >> > > > > > >down to that ship.
>> > >> > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > >Have you done that? Or do you know of someone who has?
>> > >> > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > Hi Clark
>> > >> > > > > > I have not dived the wreck New Jersey yet, it rest in 335fsw
>>very
>> > >> > >close to
>> > >> > > > > > the Virginia which rest in 390fsw. I have added several NG
>>list to
>> > >> > >this
>> > >> > > > > > email as I know of several divers who have dived those wrecks
>>and
>> > >>are
>> > >> > > > > > members of those list and I'm sure they will contact you
>> > >>privately. I
>> > >> > >do
>> > >> > > > > > know that these wrecks lay in high current water and that
>>just
>> > >> > >recently
>> > >> > > > > > I've been told a group tried to dive one of those wrecks and
>>had
>> > >>to be
>> > >> > > > > > rescued by another boat other than the one they were diving
>>from,
>> > >> > >those
>> > >> > > > > > wrecks are best dived in the spring and fall when the current
>>is
>> > >>not
>> > >> > >as
>> > >> > > > > > strong I been told by the local Captains.
>> > >> > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > Hope this helps with your story
>> > >> > > > > > Capt JT
>> > >> > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > >It's very deep - 300 feet or so - which I know is much
>>deeper
>> > >>than
>> > >> > >the
>> > >> > > > > > >average
>> > >> > > > > > >diver would go.
>> > >> > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > >Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
>> > >> > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > >Clark Perks
>> > >> > > > > > >The Courier-Post
>> > >> > > > > > >856-486-2956 (work)
>> > >> > > > > > >856-983-1884 (home)
>> > >> > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > "You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have
>>to
>> > >>get
>> > >> > >in
>> > >> > > > >the
>> > >> > > > > > water"
>> > >> > > > > > Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more
>> > >> > > > > >   Web Site  http://www.capt-jt.com/
>> > >> > > > > > Email     captjt@mi*.co*
>> > >> > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > >
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > >
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