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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:36:45 -0400
From: Wrolf Courtney <wrolf@co*.ne*>
To: ahall@di*.co*
CC: kirvine@sa*.ne*, Martin Parker <mjp@ap*.av*.co*.uk*>,
     scatsta@mc*.co*, RLatulip@ao*.co*, will@tr*.co*,
     heseltine@ea*.ne*, cavers@ca*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com,
     rebreather@nw*.co*, heyydude@pi*.co*
Subject: Re: CONTINUOUS REBREATHER DEATHS was Re: Death was a Bigot
Alton J. Hall wrote:

> Wrolf: I do not why you would post a message such as this in this
> forumn.

Quite simply, because I was (and am) in considerable physical pain, and have not
slept for three nights because of it.  My usual lurid imagination was not slowed
down by my normal consideration of other people's viewpoint.  Hopefully I can
get to surgery by the end of the week.

I apologize for the distress that I have caused, including to George, Martin, to
the readers of this forum who concluded that I was trying to encourage Martin to
sue George, and to you Alton.  The complete reversal must have seemed like a
real back stab to you after our earlier conversation.  I am sorry.

Also, Martin was, shall we say, surprised by my loopy post.  This was in no way
part of any advice sought by him.  To the best of my knowledge he has no plans
to sue anyone for anything.  And I am probably the last person in the world that
he would consult on such a matter.

> Since you opened the door, please allow me to respond. First, it
> is illegal to practice law without a license. If you want to play get a
> license or prepared to be sued and turned in to the authoritys.

To help us out in the future, what is the difference between practicing law and
talking of legal matters.  It is quite common to write about legal matters in
forums such as techdiver and SCUBA-L, and I recall quite a lot of such talk
regarding the WPB and Jane Orenstein tragedies, by WKPP members.  What is the
line between talk around the cracker barrel, and acting as counsel?

> Second,
> it is a compensible tort to incite litigation. Do not underestimate the
> lengths that will be taken to insure that you are invited to the party
> if litigation develops from your activitys.

I regret my post.  I would also like to warn anyone reading this not to even
consider for one moment suing George, or anyone else.  The only winners in any
lawsuit that I know of are the lawyers, and sometimes the wealthier party.

> Third, a person can only be
> sued where there is personal jurisdiction over him or where he accepts
> service of process.

What is personal jurisdiction?

I thought you could sue either where the shot is fired, or where the bullet
hits, or where your attorney can make it fly somersaults.  So for libel, cannot
the plaintiff sue in their home jurisdiction?  Or is this only for criminal law?

> Mr Irvine accepts service of process in New Orleans
> LA. The address is on my web site. http://www.divelawyer.com/

Good choice.  Is Louisiana law really as full of traps as common law trained
attorneys always say?  Or is it just that they are unfamiliar with it?

> Forumn
> shopping by filing against a company over the nonemployment related
> actions of an employee will accomplish nothing other than insuring that
> you are sanctioned by the court.

Huh?  I thought that in your typical squalid little divorce case, after the
judgment, the mother has to then seek a court order for garnishment of earnings
at the father's employer.  Would not such a mother be wise therefore to initiate
the divorce in a court with jurisdiction over the father's employer?

> Fourth, judgement proof or not YOU need
> to seriously consider wheather you want to be involved in this. I would
> hate to see you lose your computer. Alton

Eeek.  I would hate to lose my computer.  And you made a good guess - I actually
own it, all $1400 new of it.  Jointly with my wife, who uses it as a necessary
tool of her trade.  But I am not quite as poor as I thought.  The same goes for
the car.

I would also hate to be involved in any litigation anywhere, but especially in
the U.S.  I would like to explain what was going through my head when I
concocted this post.

My (failed) intent was to press forcibly the idea upon George that he stick to
the truth.  Opinions are fine, if labeled as such.  Outrageous lampooning and
lambasting of public figures, complete with sexual innuendoes, is fine,
especially if funny.

But falsehoods are not.  Unproven factoids are not.  Opinions and wild eyed
guesses, presented as fact, are not.

And lambasting the newbies who wish to learn, thereby driving them away, and
effectively suppressing everybody else's free speech, is not OK.

I am not talking about laws here, I am talking about values.
I am talking about the Anglo-American tradition of free speech.
And I am talking about the responsibilities that go along with those rights.

Safe Diving,

Wrolf

Wrolf's Wreck:     http://www.concentric.net/~Wrolf
Wrolf's Net.Wreck: http://www.concentric.net/~Wrolf/netmgmt.shtml

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