So in other words, you'd be ok with getting on a plane flown by a pilot
who has been up for two days prior snorting cocaine because he stopped
it last night.

I agree with the economics and with the freedom to do as I choose etc.
etc. but when I rely on someone to do a job, I want to know he is of
sound mind and body.  What about MY rights?

I don't care about the supermarket clerk, but anyone in a resonsible
position, (read in care of other peoples safety), should be drug free.

Your logic is the exact reason why when you call information for a
number, or you go into a department store NO ONE knows their job.  They
were all too busy frying their brains the night before or did so for so
many years that the residual effect is permanent.

Nature hands us enough idiots.  We don't need to start manufacturing
them.

Joe Citelli

Ben Wiseley wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> 
> You missed the main point of the problem with drug
> testing.  You should be able to go home at night and
> do whatever the fuck you want to... drug tests don't
> allow that - and that's bullshit.  Is the employer now
> responsible for upholding the law for all it's
> employees... if so can we please get rid of all the
> cops?
> 
> Just because you get drunk on Friday night doesn't
> mean you should be banned from your day job.
> 
> This shit is SO obvious... the drug problem was
> fucking covered in Economics 101 (which, in the US, is
> pretty much taught by 6th grade).  Supply and Demand.
> I can't believe the morons in the government haven't
> figured this out yet.  If some moron is willing to pay
> me $1 million dollars for a pound of cheese I'm going
> to get that moron his cheese... no matter what the
> Feds fucking do... especially if my average income is
> $1.50/year in Columbia.  Drug testing?  Goes along
> with airport security, jay walking laws, etc... it
> only stops the dumbest of the dumb.  And that's an
> inconvenience to the law abiding citizens... not the
> criminals.
> 
> And... just to put something in here about diving...
> isn't there some BETTER requirement/test we could give
> potential DM's other than a stupid drug test that
> covers every drug you've done in the past month?
> 
> "Legalize the shit, and tax it." - definitely the only
> possible solution... the rest is just a pipe dream.
> 
> -ben
> 
> --- Scott <scottk@hc*.co*> wrote:
> > The only problem I see with drug testing is it is
> > selectively applied, which
> > breeds abuse and injustice. I have seen it used to
> > "get rid of" undesirable
> > employees, and for personal venue's. Also, there is
> > quite a rip off industry
> > that has sprung up to service this need, quite often
> > at taxpayers expense.
> >
> > When school teachers, cops, lawyers, judges, and all
> > the people who work for
> > the legal system, and all the Fed and State
> > employees who are paid by my tax
> > dollars have to start taking urines tests, and have
> > to put up with the BS of
> > randoms, then it will mean something. A friend is an
> > elementary school
> > teacher, and she smokes pot. When I asked her about
> > testing, her reply was
> > "Our union wont allow it." Piss test a DM on a
> > cattle boat, but not the
> > people who teach your children? Something is
> > definitely wrong here.
> >
> > It is also true that the tests are not reliable. I
> > had a false positive for
> > marijuana once, but I screamed and hollered, and got
> > another (blood) test,
> > which came up negative. The lab tech assured me
> > there is no way for a false
> > positive to come up, until I handed him the blood
> > test. His reply was gold;
> > "Huh."
> >
> > Additionally, urine testing completely bypass'
> > addressing the worst of all
> > our dangerous drugs, alcohol. Alcohol kills and
> > maims more people each year
> > than all the other drugs combined. While working in
> > Alaska, I can tell you
> > for sure, I worked with people who were drunk,
> > drinking at work and on the
> > job, but could pass any urine test you want to give.
> > Exxon Valdez. The
> > skipper passed a drug test. How much did his alcohol
> > use cost us?
> >
> > We're losing the War on Drugs at an amazing pace.
> > Drug testing has had ZERO
> > impact on that, its stated purpose when legislated.
> > Shit, you can get busted
> > smoking crack cocaine in a motel room with a hooker,
> > and still be mayor of
> > our country's capitol city!!! Real strong message
> > there. Prisons are full,
> > and being contracted out to corporations who operate
> > prisons at a profit.
> > The US is the number one imprisoner of its people.
> > Instead of slowing drug
> > abuse, what we have done is imprison people with a
> > severe health and social
> > problem, and its a growth industry. They get high in
> > jail for Christ's
> > Sake!!
> >
> > Imagine if we random tested Congress, Senate and all
> > their employees and
> > support personnel. *All* employees of the Justice
> > Department. Even the
> > suggestion of such an act would cause so much noise
> > and debate, you would be
> > able to hear it on Jupiter. Half the Senate and
> > Congress are drunk. Lets
> > enact legislation requiring our lawmakers to pass
> > daily breathalyzer tests
> > on their way back in from lunch.
> >
> > Sorry, but I see drug testing as a complete hose
> > job. Completely
> > ineffectual, applied without justice,
> > unconstitutional and it fails to
> > address the worst and most common of all drugs.
> > Legalize the shit, and tax
> > it. People who want to get high are going to.
> > Period. You cannot legislate
> > morals or responsibility.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alton Hall, Jr." <ahall@da*.co*>
> > To: "Trey" <trey@ne*.co*>
> > Cc: "Christian Gerzner" <christiang@pi*.co*.au*>;
> > <klind@al*.ne*>;
> > "Techdiver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 11:47 AM
> > Subject: Re: Dive Master's Wanted
> >
> >
> > > Interestingly random drug testing is used only
> > sporadically in the
> > commercial
> > > dive industries. As of last week the Federal
> > Appellate Court that controls
> > the
> > > Gulf states ruled that OSHA did not apply leaving
> > only USCG regulations.
> > The
> > > Coast Guard requires mandatory drug testing in all
> > cases involving serious
> > > injury. I am often amazed at the high rate of drug
> > use detected when such
> > > "unannounced" testing is performed. Recently a 10
> > man dive crew
> > > all tested positive for either cocaine or
> > marijuana use. Perhaps the ADC
> > can
> > > learn a lesson from the WKPP.
> > > Alton
> > >
> >
> >
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